Question:
Mac vs. PC and compatibility of MS Office - college business student?
kate
2012-07-14 07:42:33 UTC
My mom is encouraging me to get a new laptop and to go with a Mac for the first time. Although I love PCs, the idea of owning a Mac is attractive, although I do have one major concern. I plan on minoring in business, and my college says that business students should not get a Mac for these reasons:

-Industry standards. In preparing students for success after college, these departments believe that students should be exposed to the technologies most commonly used in the field.

-Microsoft Office document compatibility. Faculty in these departments find many students have difficultly saving their office documents (Word, Excel, Powerpoint) created on a Mac in a manner that is easily shared with someone viewing those materials on a windows computer. While cross-platform functionality exists in MS Office, it can be challenging.

-Microsoft Office features. the Mac Version of Office (currently Office 2008) is a separate product than the windows version (currently office 2010). These products often have different features. Some specific examples of commonly used feaures:
-Excel macros used in many accounting spreadsheets in Office 2007/2010 (Windows) will not funciton in Office 2008 (Mac)
-The program Access in Office 2010/2007 (Windows) is not available in Office 2008 (Mac)
-Excel navigation and ease of creating pivot tables in Office 2010/2007 (Windows) is dramatically dirrent than Office 2008 (Mac)

-Faculty Support. Most faculty in these departments use a windows-based computer and cannot offer assistance to students using a Mac.

-Peer support. Collaboration and teamwork are the hallmark of a successful Miami education. Using the same technology enhances those experiences.

Any thoughts on the matter?
Six answers:
McDark
2012-07-15 03:26:16 UTC
Yes, I do have a few thoughts on the matter. ;)



Firstly, the advise from your college is out of date. Office 2011 is the latest version for Mac. However, while functionality and compatibility with the Windows version is much the same, there will still be minor UI differences. And there's still no Access application for what that's worth.



And as has already been said, you can run Windows on a Mac anyway. Either by dual booting (using Boot Camp assistant), or running Windows virtually on the OS X desktop (using Parallels or Fusion). Best of both worlds… right?



There are a few downsides though. If you run Windows virtually, you do obviously lose some of the native performance of the hardware. And if you dual boot it, the drivers that Apple provides for Windows are very basic, e.g. no fine control of how the trackpad works and poor power management.



So in summary, if this were just for you for your own home usage, I'd certainly recommend you look at a Mac to see it you like it. While not to everyone's taste, the hardware is very nicely engineered and the OS is very slick and stable. However, with this external influence, perhaps you'd be better to conform to the college's recommendation and stick with a proper Windows laptop.
Kathryn
2016-02-25 05:29:13 UTC
I've been using Mac and PC for years - I've not had a Mac crash on me in 6 years (since moving to OSX 10.2). I've also never had a virus. You can now run Windows on a Mac (if you have a copy of Windows), and amazingly, the fastest laptop to run Vista is a MacBookPro (Yahoo search it if you don't believe me). Get VMWare or Paralles and you can run OSX, XP, Vista and even Limux all at the same time (well, I'd only one 2 at a time, unless you have a LOT of RAM). Personally I prefer the Mac - the interface is much more user friendly, the software is beautiful and stable, and I can do anything a PC user can do on it - check out my Delicious for the best Mac software delicious/nikachu/mac. Looks like new Macs are coming out on the 14th October.
2012-07-14 19:56:45 UTC
It is possible to run both Windows and Mac operating systems on the same Mac - with the BOOTCAMP feature. It creates a Windows-compatible partition on your hard drive. Then you could install a standard Windows operating system and run regular Windows-based programs. You would have access to all the functionality of both Windows and Mac operating systems.



It is worth investigating before you make your final decision.
jimgmacmvp
2012-07-15 09:37:42 UTC
Your college is way out of date. The recommendations are wrong. They rate a grade of FAIL. I work in IT at a major university and graduated with a management degree and am fully qualified to issue the failing grade to your school.



-Industry standards: Apple is now bigger than Microsoft. Apple is now bigger than Google. Apple is now bigger than Microsoft + Google combined! If there is a de-facto industry standard it is now Apple, not Microsoft.



-Microsoft Office compatibility. Your college's information is total BS. The file format for both Mac and Windows versions of Office is identical. Starting in 2007 on the PC and 2008 on the Mac, Microsoft switched to open standards called Office Open XML (OOXML) file formats as the default file formats for Office applications. Identical means there is no difference, and therefore there is no possibility for file incompatibility. There never was a file compatibility issue. That's because the Windows versions of Microsoft Office applications came from the Mac in the first place and kept the same file formats.



Microsoft Office features - There are feature differences between the Mac and PC versions of Office. The Mac version has features that are missing from the PC version and vice-versa:



* Excel macros: The version of VBA for running Excel macros on the Mac in Excel 2011 (which replaced 2008 almost 2 years ago) is the same as the version as in Excel 2010 32-bit version on the PC. Excel macros written for 64-bit Office 2010 won't run on the Mac or in Office 2010 32-bit on Windows. Properly written add-ins will work on Mac or PC Excel. There was a time when Apple didn't matter and add-in writers felt free to include Windows API and Active-X stuff in their add-ins. These technologies are Windows only. If your college hasn't updated to add-ins that were written with both Mac and PC platforms in mind, then you might run into trouble. This is where you might have to run Office 2010 in a virtual environment or boot camp.



-Microsoft Access is not available on the Mac. This is not exactly true. Microsoft Access 2010 is available stand-alone and runs on the Mac in Crossover. However, as a practical matter, most colleges provide Microsoft Office 2010 for free or a nominal cost, so you would install that in Crossover, instead, Microsoft Access runs both within the whole Office suite or by itself on the Mac if you also install Crossover or use Parallels or Boot Camp. Parallels and boot camp require Microsoft Windows.



- PivotTables on the Mac are prettier than on the PC. PivotCharts are not supported on the Mac

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/how-to-make-a-pivottable-in-excel-for-mac-2011.html



- Faculty support. Faculty should not be expected to provide training and support for software and hardware. That's up to the student and the IT department. That said, faculty must be aware of the software and hardware that's being deployed in the field. Apple is bigger than Microsoft + Google combined. Enough said. Sounds like your faculty (or more likely your school's IT department) may be trying hide from reality.



-Peer support. The level of support for collaboration in Microsoft Office on the Mac version of Microsoft Office is identical to the PC version.http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/office-2011-for-mac-editing-coauthored-powerpoint-.html



http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/coauthoring-powerpoint-presentations-in-office-201.html



http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/how-to-edit-a-coauthored-word-2011-document.html



http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/how-to-coauthor-a-document-in-word-2011-for-mac.html



If your school were cutting edge I would worry about slicer, PowerView, and PowerPivot features in Excel 15 which will be coming out in the fall. These feature are really great but aren't in Office for the Mac. If your school were cutting edge they would deploy Office 15 for Windows as soon as it comes out and have you learn about these things, but I bet your faculty never heard of any of this.
2012-07-14 07:49:39 UTC
Go with an IBM thinkpad they never crash compatabile with all your needs. Cheap get one with windows7. I love Microsoft but windows vista was pretty bad unless you had a 2gb ram. Macs crash alot more and alot more money
2012-07-14 09:29:02 UTC
do not worry office compatibility, you can buy office for mac 2011 home and business from www.getsoftwarekey.com, it will resolve this problem


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